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Flight Reviews In High Performance Aircraft

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Do I need an endorsement for high performance aircraft to conduct a flight review in a high performance aircraft?  If so, can I log the time as PIC, Instruction Given, if the other pilot is not a CFI?

Thanks in advance for any help with this request.


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  1. Wes Beard on Aug 31, 2012

    Hi EJK,

    §61.31(f) requires the legal pilot in command to have a high performance endorsement? Since your student does not yet have a high performance endorsement (s)he cannot act as the legal pilot in command and someone else has to take on the responsibility of acting as the legal pilot in command. If they cannot act as pilot in command then you must act as the legal pilot in command and must have the high performance endorsement.

    With that said, your student can log PIC time per §61.51(e) as the sole manipulator of the controls before he receives the high performance endorsement. I would log the flights and ASEL, daytime, PIC and dual received for the student. The same for you except dual received is dual given.

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  2. Kris Kortokrax on Aug 31, 2012

    He didn’t say that his client (student) did not have a high performance endorsement. He said that his client needed a flight review. If the client is still within his previous flight review and has a high performance endorsement, then the CFI (EJK) can certainly give the flight review, even though he himself does not have a high performance endorsement.

    The whole high performance endorsement thing makes no sense the way it is currently defined. Years ago, I had a discussion with John Lynch about this. He defines performance in terms of horsepower and not in terms of actual performance. I can get into a Mustang II with a 200 hp engine and no high performance endorsement and cruise around at 180 mph. However, if I get into a Stearman with a 220 Continental and cruise around at 85 mph, I need a high performance endorsement. Ridiculous!!

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  3. EJK on Aug 31, 2012

    Thank you both. The person seeking the flight review has a high performance endorsement, but has an expired flight review. Given the expired review, am I still able to provide the review?

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  4. John D. Collins on Aug 31, 2012

    Acting as PIC in a high performance airplane requires the endorsement, so the flight instructor may not act as PIC and therefore the pilot who is receiving the flight review must be qualified to act as PIC which also means they must meet the requirements of 61.56 at the time of the flight. According to 61.195, a flight instructor must hold a pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate with the applicable category and class rating in order to provide flight instruction in a non type rated aircraft. The one time high performance endorsement is not a rating, it is just an endorsement required to act as PIC. Logging PIC is permitted by the instructor according to 61.51 (e)(3) “A certificated flight instructor may log pilot in command flight time for all flight time while serving as the authorized instructor in an operation if the instructor is rated to act as pilot in command of that aircraft”. The only question I would have is whether or not “rated to act as pilot in command of that aircraft” would be construed to mean that he had to have the endorsement. In other FAA legal Counsel opinions, they use the term rated to mean the ratings on the pilot certificate and not any required endorsements.

    This is a good question and suggest it be posed to the FAA Chief Counsel for an official ruling.

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  5. Nathan Parker on Sep 01, 2012

    “Given the expired review, am I still able to provide the review?”

    No, your student cannot act as PIC, so you must be able to and you can’t.

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  6. EJK on Sep 04, 2012

    Thanks everyone. Based on your advice, we successfully completed the review in a C-172. I really appreciate your insight.

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