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Student and Class B

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I was recently asked to write an endorsement for student flight into Class B.  I followed the language of AC-61-65E, but was criticized because I did not include (1) with the 61.95(a), i.e., 61.95(a)(1). Was I wrong in not doing so? Thanks for your help,

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  1. John D. Collins on May 15, 2012

    I think you were correct following the advice of AC 61-65E that provides sample wording for the instructor endorsements.  Adding the (1) would be wrong IMHO as the endorsement applies to all three sections of 61.95(a). See the sample wording quoted below:

    9.  Solo flight in Class B airspace: section 61.95(a).


    I certify that (First name, MI, Last name) has received the required training of section 61.95(a). I have determined he/she is proficient to conduct solo flights in (name of Class B) airspace. (List any applicable conditions or limitations.) 

    /s/ [date] J. J. Jones 987654321CFI Exp. 12-31-05 

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  2. Kris Kortokrax on May 15, 2012

    I would not blindly trust AC 61.65E.  It was last updated in November 2005.  As an example, endorsement # 62 references 61.31(d)(3).  There is no longer a 61.31(d)(3).  The reference should be 61.31(d)(2).

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  3. John D. Collins on May 16, 2012

    That is true, no-one should blindly follow anything. 61.31(d)(2) and (3) were eliminated in 2009 and the endorsement is now reworded 61.31(d)(2). The endorsement was correct up until 2009.  Do you have any other examples where the 2005 edition is out of date?  Regardless, in answering Jeff’s question, it is spot on as 61.95 (a)(1) would be wrong as it does not include (2) and (3) which are germane to the endorsement.

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  4. Matthew Waugh on May 17, 2012

    Not to be too contrary, but I can see the point of including the (1). Section 1 is the training required, sections 2 and 3 are about the endorsement, and an endorsement about giving an endorsement seems a bit circular to me.
    Now you could argue that you can’t go wrong following the FAA’s Advisory Circular, but the endorsement in AC-61-65E has the endorsement for flight to an airport located in Class B referring to 61.95(a)(1) and no reference to 61.95(b) the actual regulation covering that activity. The general Class B endorsement, as others have said, just references 61.95(a) – so it’s all rather confusing really.
    Frankly – for flight in Class B I think an endorsement refering to 61.95(a) or 61.95(a)(1) is sufficient and adequate – but we’re really dancing on the heads of pins here – it would take an FAA inspector both drunk AND high to try and ding you for an incorrect endorsement in either case.

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