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Question from Russia: Logging PIC time while a First Officer

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Good afternoon! I am David, I am first officer of the Boeing-737 NG I am from Russia. I would like to get FAA ATP(A).I have never been by captain and have total flight time 1200 h and I am holding when reached 1500 h. May I get FAA ATP flying as first officer? When I am making duty as Pilot Flying can I indicate flight time in the my logbook as P.I.C? Which will be certified by signature of the Captain. Who is P.I.C? P.I.C.U.S? S.P.I.C

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  1. Carol Karp on Dec 08, 2011

    My husband has flown for two airlines (the first was small and only carried 9 passengers). He could only log PIC when there were no passengers on board (he was fully qualified to act as PIC of the airplane). He now flies for a larger airline and has a SIC type rating (new FAA thing…silly if you ask me), but he cannot log PIC even if he is the “sole manipulator of the controls.” He occassionaly ferries aircraft for the company, and cannot log PIC that way because the airplane requires a type rating. I do not know what your rules are in Russia (if that is where you are flying), but I know that in the U.S. he cannot. All he logs is the multi, turbine, instrument, and SIC. Hope that helps a little! Maybe someone else here will know more!

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    Kris Kortokrax on Dec 08, 2011

    David,
    If I understand your situation correctly, you are concerned about logging PIC time to qualify for a US ATP certificate.  61.159 (a) requires 1500 hours of total time, not PIC time.  61.159(a)(4) requires 250 hours of time in an airplane as PIC or SIC.  As long as you can log SIC time (a 737 requires two crewmembers), that should count towards the requirements for the ATP.
     
    Carol,
    I don’t understand why your husband could only log PIC if no passengers were on board.  There is nothing in 61.51 that describes that situation.  What was the reasoning?

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  3. David Gazaryants on Dec 08, 2011

    (4) 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof, which includes at least—
    If i understand it means.When i act as PILOT FLYING at he Boeing ,seating from the right i can log flight time as a PIC,in PIC column but in Remarks column this flight time must be assighned by Captayn?
    Forex. ( in Remarks column “perf.duty PIC’or PICUS) the Captayn signature.

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  4. David Gazaryants on Dec 09, 2011

    Kris Kortokrax on Dec 08, 2011
    David,If I understand your situation correctly, you are concerned about logging PIC time to qualify for a US ATP certificate.  61.159 (a) requires 1500 hours of total time, not PIC time.  61.159(a)(4) requires 250 hours of time in an airplane as PIC or SIC.  As long as you can log SIC time (a 737 requires two crewmembers), that should count towards the requirements for the ATP.  Right you are.I am going to get FAA ATP and now study for test.I am so worry that FSDO or  FAA declined my application.

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  5. David Gazaryants on Dec 09, 2011

    Foolow you later Kris i may log in Logbook SIC time and when i will have TT 1500 h i may apply for FAA ATP?

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  6. Kris Kortokrax on Dec 09, 2011

    David,
    I did not say you should log PIC.  I said that the regulations allows you to apply for an ATP with 250 hours of time, which may consist of PIC or SIC time.  If you are serving as SIC, you should log the time as SIC time.

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