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medical cert and 91 flying

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I'm an ATP Commercial pilot from a major airline who lost my class 1 med due to type 1 insulin dependent diabetes but hold a class 3 med. I have a family that wants to hire me to fly their G2 for them. Can I fly their private jet with a class 3 part 91?

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  1. Kris Kortokrax on Jan 22, 2017

    You used the language “wants to hire me”. In order to fly for hire (not just carry passengers for hire), you need to have Commercial pilot privileges (which your ATP certificate would afford your). You would also need a second class medical certificate to exercise Commercial privileges.

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  2. BobH on Jan 22, 2017

    ok, what if it is only flying their family jet, and they pay me a salary annually to do this. Family only. Is there any difference?

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  3. Kris Kortokrax on Jan 22, 2017

    See 61.113. That discusses private pilot privileges, which are those allowed with a third class medical certificate. In 61.113(a) it uses the phrase “no person who holds a private pilot certificate…..may not for compensation or hire act as pilot in command of an aircraft.”

    You do hold an ATP, but in order to exercise those privileges, you need a first class medical certificate. See 61.23 for medical certificate requirements.

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  4. Russ Roslewski on Jan 22, 2017

    Kris, minor correction – he would only have to be exercising Commercial-level privileges and so would just need a second-class medical (as you state in your first post).

    BobH – I’m not sure why you are under the impression that it being a family only makes a difference. If you’re getting paid to fly, it’s a commercial operation and requires at least a 2nd class medical, whether you’re towing banners or piloting a G2.

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  5. Kris Kortokrax on Jan 22, 2017

    Yep, I know. I was just tying the medical requirement to the certificate he holds, in the second post. As you said, I noted the commercial requirement previously.

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  6. BobH on Jan 22, 2017

    ok, thx , how about w just a class 3, being a FO ?

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  7. Kris Kortokrax on Jan 22, 2017

    It’s not the position in the cockpit that you are fulfilling that is the problem. The issue is that you are going to be paid to act as a pilot. There was never a time when your FO at the airline could serve with a third class medical. Same thing here.

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  8. BobH on Jan 22, 2017

    THX, Feds Against Aviation has really done their job to not let us fly.

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  9. Kris Kortokrax on Jan 22, 2017

    Not sure I agree with you. If the FAA were trying to not let you fly, you would not have the third class medical. I’m a 67 year old guy with hypertension and an irregular heartbeat. When I learned to fly in 1970, these conditions would not have allowed us to fly. Between Congress (mandating that the FAA allow us to fly without a third class medical) and the FAA actually implementing the rule on time (just published on schedule) and issuing AC 68-1 outlining the program and the medical advances, we enjoy a much greater chance of being able to fly.

    With the recent change in the enforcement climate, the FAA is also allowing more airmen to remain flying that would have been grounded with suspensions.

    We all love to hate the FAA, but they are not all bad.

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  10. BobH on Jan 22, 2017

    I guess I should have been more specific and stated Feds Against Diabetics, commercially. Canada and England and I believe Japan’s commercial pilots can fly w diabetes. Last May the policy department changed the rules that all types of diabetics can get all types of class meds, but my ME actually heard the head of the licenseing dept state, ” Hell if we’re going to issue any”. I don’t want general aviation. I want commercial rights. Thanks for your input earlier.

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  11. Kris Kortokrax on Jan 22, 2017

    Based on your last post, I searched Google. It appears that the U.S. allows pilots from Canada and England who have Type 1 diabetes to fly commercially in the U.S. airspace. It does seem incongruous to assume that U.S. pilots present a risk that foreign pilots with the same problem do not pose.

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