Welcome Guest. Sign in or Signup

11 Answers

When is instrument rating required?

Asked by: 12857 views Instrument Rating

I cannot find the reference of when is an instrument rating required??

Ace Any FAA Written Test!
Actual FAA Questions / Free Lifetime Updates
The best explanations in the business
Fast, efficient study.
Pass Your Checkride With Confidence!
FAA Practical Test prep that reflects actual checkrides.
Any checkride: Airplane, Helicopter, Glider, etc.
Written and maintained by actual pilot examiners and master CFIs.
The World's Most Trusted eLogbook
Be Organized, Current, Professional, and Safe.
Highly customizable - for student pilots through pros.
Free Transition Service for users of other eLogs.
Our sincere thanks to pilots such as yourself who support AskACFI while helping themselves by using the awesome PC, Mac, iPhone/iPad, and Android aviation apps of our sponsors.

11 Answers



  1. jay2712 on Jun 08, 2016

    91.173

    -3 Votes Thumb up 0 Votes Thumb down 3 Votes



  2. Kris Kortokrax on Jun 08, 2016

    Close, but no cigar.

    Try 61.3 (e).

    Try also 61.183 (c)(2)

    You also need one if you don’t want a limitation on your Commercial certificate for carrying passengers for hire at night or on flights greater than 50 nautical miles. 61.133 (b)

    0 Votes Thumb up 1 Votes Thumb down 1 Votes



  3. John D Collins on Jun 08, 2016

    91.173 only specifies that an ATC clearance and a flight plan are required when operating under IFR in controlled airspace. The requirement that a pilot acting as PIC under IFR or less than VFR requires an appropriate instrument rating is found in 61.3 (e).

    (e) Instrument rating. No person may act as pilot in command of a civil aircraft under IFR or in weather conditions less than the minimums prescribed for VFR flight unless that person holds:

    (1) The appropriate aircraft category, class, type (if required), and instrument rating on that person’s pilot certificate for any airplane, helicopter, or powered-lift being flown;

    +6 Votes Thumb up 7 Votes Thumb down 1 Votes



  4. colopilot on Jun 08, 2016

    Thanks everyone who responded. Chris was close with 61.3.

    Here’s the answer I came up with. It is spread out.

    61.3: Can’t Operate below VFR wx mins without instrument rating.
    91.135: Can’t operate in Class A without instrument rating.
    91.157: SVFR at night requires instrument rating.

    +6 Votes Thumb up 6 Votes Thumb down 0 Votes



  5. Kris Kortokrax on Jun 08, 2016

    91.135 says nothing about an instrument rating being required, it requires that flight be conducted under IFR.

    61.3(e) requires the instrument rating for flight under IFR and is the regulation requiring the instrument rating. John stated the requirement as well. Our answer is not close, it is spot on.

    61.133, 61.183 and 91.157 are ancillary requirements describing situations not related to flight under IFR or IMC where an instrument rating is necessary for certain flight situations.

    0 Votes Thumb up 1 Votes Thumb down 1 Votes



  6. colopilot on Jun 08, 2016

    Kris (my apologies for misspelling your name in last post)- so I just want to make sure I am understanding you correctly. You say you are spot on with 61.3 (e) and all of the other FAR’s mentioned are not related to flight under IFR?

    So if the DPE asks me “well son, when is an instrument rating required”, I point to FAR 61.3 (e) and say “here Mr. Examiner! this is the only reg where IFR rating is required!” ??

    0 Votes Thumb up 1 Votes Thumb down 1 Votes



  7. Kris Kortokrax on Jun 09, 2016

    That is exactly what I am telling you.

    Your analysis is wrong because you referenced 61.3 for flight in weather below VFR only. You do need an Instrument rating to fly under IFR even if flying in VFR weather, as 61.3 also states.

    Your reference to 91.135 is wrong because you need an instrument rating to fly under IFR below FL180 as well as in Class A. The requirement is not altitude dependent.

    Your reference to 91.157 (SVFR) only applies to airplanes and powered lift. I can fly all night under SVFR in a helicopter with no Instrument rating, even though I need an Instrument rating for flight under IFR or in weather below VFR in all categories and classes.

    The other situations I mentioned to you were the requirement to have an instrument rating to apply for a Flight Instructor certificate for airplanes and powered lift (note, I don\’t need it for helicopters) and the need for an instrument rating at the Commercial level for airplanes and powered lift to avoid a restriction on passenger carrying (even in VFR weather, and again, note that I don\’t need it for helicopters).

    -3 Votes Thumb up 1 Votes Thumb down 4 Votes



  8. Andre Venter on Jul 14, 2017

    Watch the youtube video where DPE Andy Munnis explains exactly how he asks the question and how he expects it to be answered. I think colopilot is on the right track. Not that anyone above is in error, but the video clearly indicated what this DPE expects as an answer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUzR8f1Npss

    Forward to 20:30

    0 Votes Thumb up 0 Votes Thumb down 0 Votes



  9. Andre Venter on Jul 14, 2017

    I guess the choices are:

    1- Answer the question in the way the DPE expects it to be answered
    2- Start an argument with the DPE as to why his expectation of the answer is incorrect

    Then wait to see if you pass the oral or not…..

    +1 Votes Thumb up 1 Votes Thumb down 0 Votes



  10. Ferrypilot on Dec 10, 2019

    CLASS A, Commercial x-country at night, below VFR minimums in controlled airspace, Special VFR at night. (91.135, 61.133, 91.155,91.157)

    +2 Votes Thumb up 2 Votes Thumb down 0 Votes



  11. Lucky on Oct 29, 2021

    Just because the examiner said it does not make it correct.

    When must a airplane pilot have an instrument rating.

    Never.

    Except to operate as follows:
    File an IFR flight plan
    Accept an IFR clearance
    Fly in controlled airspace in Wx below basic VFR
    Special VFR at night
    To be a CFI or CFII
    To be a commercial pilot without limitations 50 mile/pax at night
    Class A airspace

    0 Votes Thumb up 0 Votes Thumb down 0 Votes


Answer Question

Our sincere thanks to all who contribute constructively to this forum in answering flight training questions. If you are a flight instructor or represent a flight school / FBO offering flight instruction, you are welcome to include links to your site and related contact information as it pertains to offering local flight instruction in a specific geographic area. Additionally, direct links to FAA and related official government sources of information are welcome. However we thank you for your understanding that links to other sites or text that may be construed as explicit or implicit advertising of other business, sites, or goods/services are not permitted even if such links nominally are relevant to the question asked.