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DPs and STARS: at least the textual description, or textual OR graphical description?

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I feel bad wasting this amazing website on such a stupid question, but this is just one of those stupid things that's really bugging me, and I don't want it to come up on my CFII oral..... so, this is specifically about DP's, but I'll ask it with regards to STARS since it's going to pop up anyway.  


On the FII test, the answers to one of the current (got it on my FII I took) questions is "To use an instrument departure procedure, the pilot must possess either the textual or the graphic form of the approved procedure."  Sheppard Air sites AIM 5-2-7.  I think that's out dated, because 5-2-7 is about departure control, and 5-2-8 is about DPs/SIDs, and, unless I missed it, doesn't say what you need to accept the procedure.  The Instrument Flying Handbook says you need at least the textual description, contradicting a current FII question.  If it was my CFII oral, I'd have to go with the Instrument Flying Handbook for the answer, because it's the only source I can site, but that contradiction is just weird.

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  1. Wes Beard on Dec 12, 2013

    I don’t think the two disagree. The question answer is a textual description or a graphic. The IFH states at least a textual description.

    Let me ask you this, would you prefer a textual description or a graphic? I personally prefer pretty pictures.

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  2. John D Collins on Dec 12, 2013

    The basic AIM full document is printed every two years. There are 3 change updates between each full document release. In the Basic AIM dated 2/16/2006, change 3 which was released 08/30/2007, Section 5-2 was expanded from 7 topics to 8. The new topic was numbered 5-2-4 and discussed Taxi into Position and Hold. The old topics 5-2-4 thru 5-2-7 were renumbered 5-2-5 thru 5-2-8 respectively. So DPs/SIDs changed from 5-2-7 to 5-2-8 at that time. Any references to DP/SIDs based on the earlier AIM would be 5-2-7 and after the update would be 5-2-8.

    ODP’s come in two varieties, simple ones are just textual. Those that are more involved are graphic, but even the graphic ODP’s contain a textual description.. In the case of a SID, they will always be graphic and again they also have a textual description on them. A SID integrates any obstacle departure procedure elements needed for terrain and obstacle avoidance, but it is primarily a creature of ATC and is used to expedite or manage departing traffic to meet ATC’s requirements. A SID may not be flown without a clearance from ATC and must be followed if it issued by ATC. A graphic ODP has a name assigned to it and may be issued in a clearance by ATC for traffic separation reasons, otherwise flying an ODP, textual or graphic is the pilot’s option and an ATC clearance is not required. If a SID is part of a departure clearance, an ODP may not be flown.

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