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repeated flights greater than 25nm

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I've got a student training in his own aircraft based at an airport 38nm from me. He is ready to solo but do I need to see him solo at his home airport as well as mine and do I treat each flight from his airport to mine as a xc since its greater than 25nm miles even though it wont count as student xc.

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  1. Wes Beard on Feb 17, 2013

    As a CFI you need to know the rules. Since the distance is greater than 25NM you have to go over his flightplan and check weather and everything else that goes into signing his logbook before he makes the flight.

    The general counsel has stated in their legal opinions that your XC cannot be given days before the flight. The instructor is responsible for checking the weather expected for the flight before the endorsement is given.

    Your only option would be to drive to where his plane is to sign the logbook. If your going to do that tyen you might as well just train him there at his airport.

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  2. Ryan on Feb 17, 2013

    You don’t have to drive there every time. You can fax, email, or even take a picture of the endorsement and text it to him so he has it and them add it to his logbook when you meet him. Just like if he got stuck at another airport on a solo xc.

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  3. Gregg Heath on Feb 17, 2013

    Thanks for both your answers despite the snarky tone of Wes’s. According to 61.93{b}{2}{IV}, repeated xc flights from an airport less than 50 miles do not require an endorsement for each flight once the requirements of paragraph {c} have been fulfilled.

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  4. Matthew Waugh on Feb 17, 2013

    No – you do not need to see them solo at the “home” airport. Generally speaking the endorsement for solo flight does not include an airport, solo is solo.

    As you’re probably aware, you need to have given the pilot training over the route to be flown, and presumably that includes operations at the appropriate airports – so that should be sufficient.

    I’m not sure what you mean by “treat each flight from his airport to mine as a xc” – yes, it’s a cross-country flight, how could you not treat it as a cross-country flight, but you seem to be implying that there is more to the concept – please expand on your question if so.

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  5. Gregg Heath on Feb 18, 2013

    By “treating it as a xc” I was referring to the need for a seperate endorsement for each flight. The far section I referenced above answers the question.

    Thanks

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  6. Mark Kolber on Feb 18, 2013

    Gregg, you’re not alone in raising this question regarding the endorsements required for the repeated cross country lights less than 50 NM. Your reading of 61.93(b)(2) is correct.

    You =do= need the “per flight” (my term, not the FAA’s) cross country endorsement for the first of these flights, but =do not= need to do so for each flight after giving the “repeated flight” endorsement.

    Here’s the link to the Chief Counsel’s 2012 opinion lettter: http://goo.gl/GuepY

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  7. Brian on Feb 18, 2013

    It sounds like some here are confused with the endorsement. Under 25 NM you only need to sign off to specific airports you’ve given training. Greater than 25 NM, but not more than 50 NM you need this:

    8. Repeated solo cross-country flights not more than 50 nm from the point of departure: section 61.93(b)(2).

    I certify that (First name, MI, Last name) has received the required training in both directions between and at both (airport names). I have determined that he/she is proficient of section 61.93(b)(2) to conduct repeated solo cross-country flights over that route, subject to the following conditions: (List any applicable conditions or limitations.)

    /s/ [date] J. J. Jones 987654321CFI Exp. 12-31-05

    Source: http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/list/AC%2061-65E/$FILE/AC61-65E.pdf

    You should ensure you’ve given training at both his airport and yours, but once you’ve done that you will be just fine.

    PS 61-65 is an advisory circular that should exist in every instructors binder.

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