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Logging PIC time as a FO/SIC in a Part 135 Carrier

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Under what circumstances may a SIC/FO log PIC time when working under Part 135?

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  1. Kris Kortokrax on Nov 21, 2022

    Need more information.

    What aircraft are you flying?
    Are you flying VFR only or IFR?

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  2. Deckard on Nov 21, 2022

    ^ This is what I\’m trying to determine, for the purposes of choosing the right carrier.

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  3. Kris Kortokrax on Nov 21, 2022

    Well,

    You have to look at 61.51(e), which deals with logging PIC time.

    (e)(1)

    (i) It allows logging PIC time when you are the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which you are rated. Sounds simple, but it is not.

    There is an exception which does not allow logging PIC time, if you are flying under an SIC Professional Development Program (61.159(c). Also, an SIC type rating is a restricted type rating and you are not rated for the aircraft and may not log PIC.

    (ii) Solo flight time wouldn’t apply to 135, unless you were flying cargo and the aircraft doesn’t require an SIC.

    (iii) If you are acting as an SIC, this would not apply.

    (iv) The carrier would need a separate training course for Pilot in Command training. Also, training cannot be conducted during Part 135 revenue flights, so this would not be a practical option.

    (e)(2) As an SIC, you would not be acting as PIC.

    (e)(3) You would not be conducting flight instruction during a 135 revenue flight.

    (e)(4) Student pilots.

    (e)(5) This is for the PIC in an SIC PDP, not the SIC.

    You said in your other post that you were trained for the U-21. Did you fly King Airs or just go through the training?

    I have a friend who flew the BE-200 (RC-12, I believe) in the Army. He has the BE-200 type rating on his pilot certificate.

    Look at 135.243. It lists certificate requirements for PIC.

    Unless you are flying a turbojet, an airplane with 10 or more passenger seats or a multi-engine airplane in a commuter operation (not likely), you don’t need an ATP to act as PIC.

    If you have enough flight time in the U-21 (or similar), you could find an operator using King Airs (fairly common) and get a job as PIC (and then log PIC time for every flight).

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