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Logging PIC while receiving instruction

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I went flying last week with an instructor to get current on the Remos GX LSA so that I can rent that aircraft from the flight school that I did my Private Pilot training (in a C172). Although I was the "sole-manipulator" of the controls, I also logged Dual Received. The flight school that I rented the plane from says that you have to have instruction time logged to be able to get current on that specific aircraft. FAR 61.51 (e)(1)(iv) states that "A sport, recreational, private, commercial, or airline transport pilot may log pilot in command flight time for flights when the pilot performs the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a qualified pilot in command."

Can I log this as PIC even though I'm logging it as Dual Received?


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  1. Ron Klutts on Jul 05, 2012

    Yes, as a rated pilot you get to log flight time as sole manipulater. Since you were getting dual as well that gets logged. It’s not a case of one or the other, you have different things going on just like x/c, or night time get logged in addition to PIC.

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  2. Kris Kortokrax on Jul 12, 2012

    Please note that 61.51 (e)(1)(iv) is not the regulation that allows you to log PIC in this situation.  61.51 (e)(1)(i) allows you as sole manipulator to log PIC.
    61.51(e)(1)(iv) contains a list (A, B, C & D) of requirements that must be met in order for one to log PIC under supervision of qualified PIC.  Your checkout flight would not have met them.

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  3. John Parsons on Jul 29, 2013

    How about receiving instruction towards a complex endorsement? Can I log that as PIC because I am the sole manipulator of the controls and I am rated for ASEL, even though I don’t yet have the endorsement for complex?

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  4. Mark Kolber on Jul 29, 2013

    Yes, John.

    Read the reg that’s been referred to. See anything about endorsements being required? For that matter, see anything about anything other than sole manipulator and rated in the aircraft mentioned?

    The reg means exactly what its says; the FAA Chief Counsel’s office has consistently said so for at least 32 years.

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  5. Mark Kolber on Jul 29, 2013

    BTW, that doesn’t mean there aren’t a lot of pilots and CFIs who don’t know this. It’s getting better as education in the logging regs is getting better and discussed more in CFI practical tests and renewal courses, but there are still plenty of pilots and CFIs that don’t know it, or, worse, know it but absolutely refuse to accept it.

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