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Logging incentive flight time in an F16

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I recently had an F-16 incentive flight with my Air National Guard unit.  My question is how can I log this time, if at all?  The pilot was not a CFI so I know I cannot log it as dual instruction.  I also know that it does not require more than one person to fly so I can not log it as SIC.  I believe that even though I was sole manipulator of the controls for almost half the flight I still can not log it as PIC.  So basically anyone know how I can log it? I know time flown can be logged but I believe it will just end up being time flown in an aircraft.

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  1. Micah on Dec 08, 2011

    Repeating what you’ve already stated, since you’re not type rated, you can’t log it as PIC or SIC and you can’t log it as dual received since you didn’t receive instruction from a CFI. Look at 61.51 (a) 1 & 2, which describes the purposes for which you’re required to log flying time. Your experience matches neither of these (and therefore you can’t add this to your total flight time used for either) but that doesn’t mean you should not log your flight experience (because you should). Just make sure you don’t log the flight in a way that you’ll accidentally count in the wrong way. You may want to put the time in the comments column. If it’s not too late, I’d have the pilot you flew with sign your logbook, too.

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  2. Bill Trussell on Dec 08, 2011

    I would suggest that you can log any time you wish, but that only the time that meets the requirements for certificats or ratings can be counted toward those activities. This time would not count toward currency or ratings.  You can put it in your log book but in such a way so as to not count it for any other purposes other than keeping track of it.  In some logs there are blank or “user defined” columns.  I would use one of those.

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  3. Matthew Waugh on Dec 08, 2011

    I’m with Micah – I would absolutely, positively log it. While you could log it in some of your flight columns, I also agree with the advice just to make it a Remarks log and put the time in there. I wouldn’t include the time in any application for a rating or certificate, or when I was applying for a job (although I would bring it up in the interview), or when qualifying for insurance. 
     
    That doesn’t mean you couldn’t use the time for some of those – but who needs the hassle of convincing somebody you could – even if you’re right.

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  4. Ernest R Ortner III on Dec 08, 2011

    Thanks for the quick answers I was trying to catch up my paper logbook and hit that little bump.  I am working on my commercial training part 141 and just about to get a prog check.  Wanted to make sure my ducks were all in a row.  Again, thank you all.

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  5. Kris Kortokrax on Dec 08, 2011

    Micah,
     
    You stated that Ernest was not type rated in the F-16.  Point is, no one will be type rated in an F-16.  There is no type certificate for the F-16 and no type rating offered.  If there were/are any F-16s in civilian hands, one would need to secure an Experimental Aircraft Authorization to be added to his pilot certificate as has been done for the F-86, SU-27 and Harrier to name a few.

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  6. MaggotCFII on Dec 10, 2011

    A log book is full of memories!  Take a picture of the particular F-16 w/you and pilot.
    Paste it in your log book with a few comments and the flight time in the narrative.
    I guarantee that when the DPE reviews your log book there will be happy questions!
     

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