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CFII (or just CFI) Needed for 250 NM Cross Country?

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FAA Regulations, Instrument Rating

Can a regular CFI give the dual instruction for an instrument pilot trainee on the required >250 NM cross-country?  Or... must it be a CFII?  

The way I read it, a CFI can give the dual so long as at least 15 hours of the training in TOTAL has been given by a CFII.  (e.g. - the time accumulated from the IFR cross country CANNOT count towards the 15 hours of training required by the CFII)

Here is the reg:

61.65 (d)

(d) Aeronautical experience for the instrument-airplane rating. A person who applies for an instrument-airplane rating must have logged:

 

(1) Except as provided in paragraph (g) of this section, 50 hours of cross-country flight time as pilot in command, of which 10 hours must have been in an airplane; and

(2) Forty hours of actual or simulated instrument time in the areas of operation listed in paragraph (c) of this section, of which 15 hours must have been received from an authorized instructor who holds an instrument-airplane rating, and the instrument time includes:

(i) Three hours of instrument flight training from an authorized instructor in an airplane that is appropriate to the instrument-airplane rating within 2 calendar months before the date of the practical test; and

(ii) Instrument flight training on cross country flight procedures, including one cross country flight in an airplane with an authorized instructor, that is performed under instrument flight rules, when a flight plan has been filed with an air traffic control facility, and that involves—

(A) A flight of 250 nautical miles along airways or by directed routing from an air traffic control facility;

(B) An instrument approach at each airport; and

(C) Three different kinds of approaches with the use of navigation systems.

 

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  1. Kris Kortokrax on Nov 22, 2011

    When the words “Instrument training” are used, the instructor must have an Instrument-Airplane, Instrument-Helicopter or Instrument-Powered Lift on his/her flight instructor certificate, as appropriate.
     
    Training that can be given by a CFI without an Instrument rating is desribed in the regulations as “training in a … on the control and maneuvering of a … solely by reference to instruments.”
     
    As such, the training outlined in 61.65 (d)(2)(ii) as you described above, must be given by an instructor with an appropriate instrument rating on his/her flight instructor certificate.

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  2. Nathan Parker on Nov 22, 2011

    “The way I read it, a CFI can give the dual so long as at least 15 hours of the training in TOTAL has been given by a CFII.”
     
    No:
     
    http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/pol_adjudication/agc200/interpretations/data/interps/2010/Grayson-3.pdf

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  3. CFI Academy on Nov 23, 2011

    (ii) Instrument flight training on cross country flight procedures, including one cross country flight in an airplane with an authorized instructor, that is performed under instrument flight rules, when a flight plan has been filed with an air traffic control facility, and that involves—
    (A) A flight of 250 nautical miles along airways or by directed routing from an air traffic control facility;
    (B) An instrument approach at each airport; and
    (C) Three different kinds of approaches with the use of navigation systems.
    So, it is clearly stated that the X-C is a FLIGHT TRAINING…so it has to be dual with a CFII as a CFII is the definition of Authorized Instructor in this case. A CFI with no CFII rating is not authorized to provide IR training.

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  4. PC on Nov 23, 2011

    Thanks for the clarification!

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