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Log Total time on a high performance aircraft

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I have a commercial pilot license with instrument and single engine rating. 

A friend of mine asked me to join him for a cross country on his Cessna 182 ( high performance ).

He is a private pilot SEL with High performance Endorsement.

I do not have the endorsement.

I am aware that I cannot log PIC but can I log total time?

Thank you


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  1. EAD on Mar 24, 2017

    Based on reading 91.109(c) and 61.31(f), you could only log some time if your friend was under the hood (simulated instrument) and you were acting as safety pilot. You would then be able to log only the amount of time you were the safety pilot as SIC (and as total time, naturally).

    Since you would be acting as a safety pilot and presumably not doing the takeoffs and landings, you would not be able to log any of the time as cross-country time.

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  2. Russ Roslewski on Mar 25, 2017

    It depends on what you are doing. If you’re just riding along as a passenger, who can log nothing.

    If you are actually flying the airplane, then you can log PIC for that time you are operating the controls.

    You may have a fundamental misunderstanding of logging PIC. Don’t worry, it’s fairly common.

    You can certainly log PIC when you fly that 182 even without the endorsement. 61.51 only requires you to be rated in the category and class, which you are. Now, someone who eligible to fully act as PIC must be aboard, but that doesn’t affect who can log PIC.

    See https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/pol_adjudication/agc200/interpretations/data/interps/2009/herman%20-%20(2009)%20legal%20interpretation.pdf

    For the FAA’s ruling on this exact issue.

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  3. Mark Kolber on Mar 26, 2017

    There was nothing in the scenario posted to say you did anything but join him as a passenger. Under those circumstances you have the authority to log the same amount of time as you would sitting in Seat 23C on a 777 – exactly zero.

    Is there more to it you just forgot to add?

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