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Logging jet time without type rating

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I currently have my SEI, MEI with commercial ratings, but I do not have a turbo jet type rating. I have the opportunity to fly a Cessna Citation Mustang (twin jet) which does not require 2 pilots. All my time so far has been in single or multi-engine turbo props. How/could I log the time in the right seat, and would it count toward a type rating?

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  1. Kris Kortokrax on Aug 31, 2015

    If the flight is conducted under Part 135, you must have been trained and checked in the airplane and be an employee of the air carrier to even touch the controls.

    Under Part 91, without having the type rating, you cannot log PIC time.

    Under Part 91, since the CE-510 can be operated as a single pilot, if the PIC has the single pilot type rating, you could not act as an SIC and log time.

    See the Cato interpretation:

    http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/pol_adjudication/agc200/interpretations/data/interps/2014/cato%20-%20%282014%29%20legal%20interpretation.pdf

    About the only way you could log any time would be if the PIC is an instructor and gives you instruction. You could then log training time

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  2. jmt on Sep 02, 2015

    This is a privately owned plane but I believe he has the single pilot rating. Basically it sounds like unless I can get my SIC or PIC type rating for this plane I can’t log the time? Thanks for the help!

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  3. Russ Roslewski on Sep 02, 2015

    If the pilot is an MEI and actually instructs you, you could log the time as dual received (though not as PIC/SIC).

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  4. Kris Kortokrax on Sep 04, 2015

    Is there an echo in here?

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  5. jeff on Sep 12, 2015

    Kris,

    Under part 135, he cant even legally sit in the right seat without being under the employ of the 135 outfit let alone touch the controls i believe. (135.113)

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  6. Kris Kortokrax on Sep 13, 2015

    Jeff,

    You should read the regulation before you post about it. The regulation applies to aircraft with more than eight passenger seats. The Mustang only has 5 passenger seats, so yes he could occupy the right seat as long as no SIC is required for the flight.

    As far as touching the controls, did you not read the first sentence of my first post?

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  7. jeff on Sep 14, 2015

    Kris,

    You are absolutely correct. I stand corrected…… (I will never post from memory again! LOL)

    Jeff

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  8. Alex on Sep 13, 2017

    The company operates under part 135 cargo and part 91 when airplane is empty, the CP said that we can log SIC time without a type rating when company operates under part 91. I just want to make sure that I’m legally lex log this time as a SIC when an airplane is empty and without a type???? Thank you.

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