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One requirement for the private pilot certificate is 3 hrs of cross country training at night which must include 10 takeoffs and landings. I have two questions on this: 1. If I make a cross country flight that is exactly 3 hrs and these 3 hours include the time for the 10 takeoffs/landings, would that be ok? 2. Do I have to log the 10 takeoffs and landings and if I don't do that what are the sequences. The reason I asked this question is that I see most of the student at the school where I am being trained don't log the 10 hrs for T/Os & LDGs despite this they take the check-ride without the examiner saying anything about it.

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  1. Kris Kortokrax on Nov 14, 2014

    You have not read the regulation correctly.

    61.109 (a)(1) requires 3 hours of cross country training.

    61.109(a)(2) requires 3 hours of night flight training (not cross country) which includes 1 cross country flight over 100 NM. To fly 51 NM out and 51 NM back would not take three hours.

    It also requires the 10 takeoffs and landings. These can certainly be performed while flying the cross country.

    61.51(a) requires logging the experience required for any certificate or rating.

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  2. Sans on Nov 14, 2014

    Thank you Kris. I need to clarify the following:
    1. Iaw 61.51 (a)(1), I must record in my logbook the 10 takeoffs and landings. The reason I asked this question is that many of the students in my school don’t record the 10 takeoff and landings and the examiners here say nothing about it.
    2. If I take off for a cross country flight at 9 am and landed at my destination at 10 am. Just after I landed I immediately takeoff again to make my 10 takeoffs and landings and I completed them all at 10:45. My question can I log all that time (1:45) as a cross country or only 1 hour of cx and the remaining 40 as a local flight?

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  3. Kris Kortokrax on Nov 14, 2014

    #1 How does the examiner know that an applicant has met the requirements if he does not check the logbook and if it is not logged? The examiner is not doing his job correctly.

    #2 Your 10 takeoffs and landings are made more than 50 NM from your original departure point. That would seem to indicate that you could log it as part of your cross country flight. It’s all about drawing lines. Would 2 landings be OK? 3? 4? At what point would one say that the time ceases to count toward the cross country time? Are you planning to return to your starting point after the 10 takeoffs and landings?

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