CFI PTS

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   Nibake on Dec 09, 2015

   My examiner had me fly a maneuver while teaching it, then he flew it, then I corrected the “mistakes” as we flew level. I hope yours does something similar, because you are right, there is only so much you can say in 30-60 seconds.

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   Mark Kolber on Dec 10, 2015

   I think you are making it too complicated.

   The “10 topics” are the ones that involve teaching the maneuver to the simulated student (at the student’s level of proficiency) and the correction of the errors the examiner makes when he demonstrates the maneuver.

   Yes, it does seem quite impossible to hit say 10 topics while doing a maneuver that may take less than 30 seconds. But where are you getting the 30 seconds come from? Are you thinking that the 30 seconds it takes to fly a circle in a turn around a point is the sum total of the time it takes of teach the maneuver to a student for the first time and/or correct his errors?

   Example of a less than 30 second one from my CFI checkride. It was the last one, which is one of the reasons I remember it so well even after 15 years. The examiner was a student pilot with 12-15 hours and just about ready for solo. He was going to fly the pattern and make a full stop landing. He started by flying the pattern better than I ever could but completely lost it on final. Couldn’t get lined up and swung back and forth across the course to the runway. My job? To be an instructor.

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   Vitaliy Krivoruk on Dec 11, 2015

   My two cents: make sure to brief the maneuver before hand and hit all those points before attempting it. Just a quick introduction to it just so it doesn’t feel like you don’t have enough time during the maneuver. Then, during the maneuver you don’t have to be talking at the speed of light. A quick pre-brief will give you the opportunity to speak at a normal pace and not sound rushed.

   Also, another piece of advice is always keep talking. Never stop, (on a checkride at least, in real life this may overload a student). For example on climb out from the airport, if I know the first maneuver I will be doing, I would start briefing it asap, as long as all other things have been taken care of. Again, this will keep things moving at a nice pace, keep you engaged and hopefully alleviate the feeling that you don’t have enough time.

   Anyway, hope that helps.

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   Dr.Buhalov on Dec 13, 2015

   The general format that I followed when doing these maneuvers seemed to work pretty good with the examiner, and I had one of those guys too…
   1. Set up (just talk about what you are doing when setting up for the manuever, scanning the sky for traffic during clearing turns, configuration, altitude, downwind/upwind etc…)
   2. do the maneuver and mention some key points
   3. if you make a mistake just mention it and say this is what you dont do

   Example Power off stall; “Alright, first i will make a clearing turn (start the turn) im looking for traffic, birds, UFO’s, just clearing the area by scanning the skies wing to wing. (roll level, start configuring the aircraft) Ok, now i will begin to slow down by lowering the gear, flaps and go through my checklist flow, (Run through the flow, mention pulling back on the stick as the plane starts to slow down to maintain altitude), then i will start my 2nd clearing turn, (complete 2nd turn) and then i will level the wings. cut the power, maintain coordination (Wings level, hands off yoke for recovery, step on the high wing) as the aircraft stalls, nose down, power up, clean up. (Recover form the stall). Common errors: failure to clear the area, improper setup, using ailerons to recover etc…..

   This will typically work with the examiner as long as you hit all the main points and keep it simple. And just remember, you will be tired after your 6 hr Oral so your flight performance will degrade, you wont be talking as much as usual, or you will make dumb mistakes. But the examiner will take that factor in, as a matter of fact, my examiner told me “you just had about enough of this today, take me home, were both tired”. So make it easy and simple for yourself by not complicating it more than it needs to be

   Hope this helps, Godspeed

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